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Overheating Problems - 190 tdi

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#1 ·
I have an overheating problem with my 2017 Kodiaq 190 2.0tdi.

Usually occurs within 10 mins of cold start. Water temperature gauge will go to it's usual 90* then shoot up into the red and 130*. This leads to 'Red' warning and 'beep' saying Engine overheating and power is reduced. Obviously I pull over at earliest opportunity and switch off. Oddly the oil temperature can at this stage indicate around 85* and rising. On opening bonnet, engine doesn't seem overly hot and water in expansion tank is cool.
Upon restart the water temp gauge usually returns quickly to 90*, and no further problems for the rest of the journey. Occasionally the overheating indicator has happened 2 or 3 times on the initial journey but always reverts when engine is fully warmed up into the journey.
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No fault codes have been registered to assist with diagnostics.
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I have found one reference to a similar problem from Pink72 sorted out on warranty who mentions a diaphragm failure on the water pump being of old design. I am failing to find any further references to this issue on the interweb but this is probably my lack of research abilities.
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Any further information on this or similar issues mutely appreaciated.
 
#3 ·
Old and Grumpy said:
Have you asked Skoda UK technical support? That would be my first action.
I would if it existed... lol !

I have been to my local dealer, who has looked at it. No fault codes have been logged and problem didn't present itself at the time, so they didn't help other than advise on monitoring and logging the occurrences for a follow up visit and full diagnostics shortly.

The purpose of this post is to try and glean as much information as possible from fellow owners who may have experience or knowledge of the problem that I can arm myself with to do battle with my local dealer. ( Though they're normally very good ).
 
#4 ·
H2UBS said:
Old and Grumpy said:
Have you asked Skoda UK technical support? That would be my first action.
I would if it existed... lol !

I have been to my local dealer, who has looked at it. No fault codes have been logged and problem didn't present itself at the time, so they didn't help other than advise on monitoring and logging the occurrences for a follow up visit and full diagnostics shortly.

The purpose of this post is to try and glean as much information as possible from fellow owners who may have experience or knowledge of the problem that I can arm myself with to do battle with my local dealer. ( Though they're normally very good ).
I have spoken to Skoda UK's engineers in the past for technical support rather than a dealership, I got to them via Skoda Ensurance. It maybe worth calling them assuming you are registered with them.
 
#5 ·
My 2017 190tdi had this issue over the summer. The water pump was at fault and replaced under warranty. My car was fitted with the old style water pump with a known issue. VW updated the pump at around this time but the old version was on my car. Now fitted with the revised pump and working fine. It does need the cam belt taken off . Depending on mileage this raises further questions on whether the old belt goes back on and a need to confirm if they replace the tensioner.

Whilst waiting for recovery I managed to find an article online. I could not find it again however I mentioned it to the recovery technician who confirmed the issues and said it was likely with the age the old type pump was present. I also confirmed with the Skoda garage and they said the latest pump was now installed.

A design flaw in the pump could cause the pump diaphragm not to open and stick closed. I believe the redesigned part stops that happening,
 
#6 ·
Problem resolved
Local dealer ( Carrs Skoda ) diagnosed the fault as sticking sliding sleeve on the water pump.
Water pump replaced. As I'm a few months out of warranty I was pleased that Skoda offered a goodwill contribution of 70% off the replacement pump and 50% off the labour, without any quibble. I did insist that they replace the cam-belt rather than refit the old one .. which cost me ÂŁ130 for the kit.
Total cost to me was ÂŁ380 which I didn't mind too much being out of warranty and I do intend keeping the car for a good few years yet.
 
#7 ·
Hi,

I think I had the same issue yesterday for the first time. I have a 2017 (17) Edition with 63000 miles on the clock and had this from 2400 miles. Never hinted at overheating before but fans have always been quite active.... I have always put this down to regens and air con.

On the way to the garden centre yesterday, roughly 10 minutes in to the journey from stone cold engine I noticed what appears to be a puff of white smoke blow forward from the back of the car while sitting at lights. I continued driving as normal and within a mile i noticed a faint burning/hot smell and the temp gauge was showing about 115 (no warning lights or limp home engaged). I pulled over immediately, turned off the engine are carefully opened the bonnet... the engine was hot as it was pinging, tinging and ticking. I let it cool for 15 mins, restarted and noticed the gauge had reverted back to the normal consistent 90. I laboured the engine stationary for a bit then continued driving cautiously at first then drove a little harder and i could not get the car to overheat again for love nor money. 15 minute drive this morning from stone cold and completely normal (up to 90 within 3/5 miles within 5/10 minutes) Annoyingly I could not get the car to overheat again!

As I drive a 60 mile commute (each way) frequently and mostly motorway, I am on the motorway within 10 minutes of setting off each journey and I am worried if the car does this again there is a fair chance I will be up to speed and on the motorway at the point of noticing potential repeat overheating... (difficult to pull over)

I have extended warranty on the car and its good there is a known fault with the water pump but i am not sure the dealer will do anything with this only happening once... I would be interested to hear any views others have on this and in particular anyone else who has suffered a similar scenario with the 190 tdi and the outcome.

Many thanks

Gary
 
#11 ·
Mine started like yours and then became more frequent over a month or so. 10mins into a drive from cold it would suddenly overheat. On the last occasion I was lane 4 of a motorway at 70ish (and a bit!) when all the bells and whistles went off. I pulled to the hard shoulder and by the time I had come to a standstill it had started to settle without turning off the engine. Managed to grab a couple photos and short video clip of dash. Took it to the dealer's and left it with them as 'unsafe' to drive (still under warranty).
Pump replaced under warranty and all good now.
 
#9 ·
From reading the entire thread, especially post #6 from H2UBS posted in Jan last year, it sounds like it's most likely the sliding sleeve within the water pump that causes the overheating. Depending on mileage it might mean you need to also replace the cam belt and tensioner as well as the pump itself.

I'd take it to your Skoda dealer, or if out of warranty then possibly a decent local independent, which will probably work out cheaper if you're having to cough up for the full bill.

Good luck!