Plans for Hybrids

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FoxtrotAlpha
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by FoxtrotAlpha » Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:22 am

Zach wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:36 pm
Transport and Environment's analysis says a key problem with plug-in hybrids is that so many owners rarely actually charge their cars, meaning they rely on the petrol or diesel engine.

Another is that many plug-in hybrid models include design features that automatically turn on the petrol/diesel engine at start-up on a cold day, or will kick in that engine if driver accelerates hard.

The latter mode means that the car's emissions will depend a lot on the driver's behaviour.

"If you always charge the battery and tend to do lots of short journeys, they will have very low emissions," says Nick Molden, who runs Emissions Analytics, a company that specialises in vehicle emissions evaluation.

"If you never charge the battery and drive very aggressively then they can have significantly higher emissions than the equivalent petrol or diesel model," he continues.
So really to me it sounds like really due to driver behaviour...if you use a PHEV properly you'd have low emissions but if you drive it like a traditional hybrid you won't be making any difference.
The surge of sales in hybrids in the UK I think was driven by company car users who saw hugely beneficial personal tax breaks for using them. They were/are only interested in their tax liability and not really into saving emissions, perhaps that’s a bit strong but I know what their primary concern is/was. As company car uses they need range and these cars, and all electric, have very limited range still.

I would move to an electric car tomorrow if it had the range I needed and didn’t take ages to recharge. The big issue for me and many others in the UK is that there are not enough charging points. Many like me would have significant problems even charging at home as it is parked across the road from my house, it’s only a small public road that has about 10 cars a day drive down it but it’s still a public road. I do not have space to park cars next to my house so home charging is not a financially viable option as it would cost a small fortune to get power to where I need it as it would require going under a public road.

The UK is talking about banning sales of all petrol/diesel cars by 2030 and hybrids by at least 2035 although that might change to 2030. That maybe 10 years away but it’s not long enough for UK governments to get organised and create an infrastructure to support electric.

Hydrogen offers more benefits than electric as it doesn’t need a cultural change to driving, engines as well as they use allot less environmentally unfriendly materials in their production. The only issue I see is the amount of non-renewable energy they are using to produce the hydrogen, if they move that to renewable then it’s a clear winner.
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by Colin Lambert » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:45 am

I had an Outlander PHEV . (Admittedly I am retired) and my daily distance was very short, just to walk the dog twice a day.
I could go at least 3 days on battery alone.
Every weekend I did a round trip of 80 miles with no ability to plug in. My average consumption was 55mpg, for the whole time I had it, not bad for a 2 ton 4wd brick! The later ones are improved with TWO electric motors, one at each 'end'.
The electronics on the screen are overly complicated and you need to be strong minded enough to leave an innocuous screen showing and stop concentrating on squeezing every possible mile out of the battery and becoming obsessed. Mine was a 15 reg and therefore had no lock on the cable whilst charging. (they do now) so at £350 to replace the transformer/cable, I was not going to leave it plugged in overnight. That was a pain!
I can't understand "everyone hating it"? It is the biggest selling PHEV in the world including the U.K..
If you are going to be a prat and drive it on pure petrol with a flat motive battery you get the consumption you deserve.
I filled the tank TWICE only in 6 months! If you can commute to work for 10 miles there and back or 30 miles there and back and charge at work, your consumption will be impressive. The handbook even warns you to top up every so often to stope the petrol going stale!
Road holding was phenomenal as was the 'launch' (0-30) speed, although 0-62 is pretty lethargic at about 10 secs.
An interesting car, but not the best/nicest I have owned.
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