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Plans for Hybrids

Post by sparkymark » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:15 am

Anyone got 'inside' knowledge of the plans for introducing Hybrid Kodiaqs and/or Karoqs?
Need to order a new company car in the next couple of months and really wanted to stay loyal but can't justify the tax difference between staying with petrol versus petrol/hybrid. (Don't mention Diesel as I wouldn't touch one with your barge pole, let alone mine!!!!).

Having to consider hybrids such as Ford Kuga, BMW X1, Volvo XC40, Merc CLA when I really wanted to slightly downsize to a Karoq......but where are the hybrid engines????? New Superb could be an option with the Hybrid engine, but not my first choice.
For work, we can't choose purely electric, so the Enyaq is not an option.

Thoughts on what's due to change in near future??
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by Zach » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:49 am

Skoda has confirmed somewhere that there will be no hybrid Kodiaq until next generation (2023)
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by Colin Lambert » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:04 am

I spoke to a Skoda Customer Services Manager the other day. Zach is correct (at least in the U.K.) The run of EV CItigo will not be restarted. The Enyaq EV will be available early 2021.
VAG, including Skoda seem to be going down the EV route rather than the hybrid. The only hybrid available at present is the Superb PHEV.
Hybrid anything else seems to be some way away.
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by sparkymark » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:33 am

Thanks for that....looks like I'm changing brands for the next 3 years :(

Kodiaq has been a fantastic car for the family but the company car tax has got too high to be cost effective, especially now most of my work is being done from home. Karoq Sportline would have been my next choice with a more tax efficient engine.
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by Colin Lambert » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:09 am

Have a look at the Kia Niro. Either hybrid or PHEV. iterior finish not as good as Skoda, but quite acceptable. I dove the E Niro when it first came out. V E R Y quick!
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by sparkymark » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:02 pm

RE: Have a look at the Kia Niro. Either hybrid or PHEV. iterior finish not as good as Skoda, but quite acceptable. I dove the E Niro when it first came out. V E R Y quick!


Unfortunately Kia isn't on our company car list.
Test driving a new 7-seat Merc GLB at the weekend, but no hybrid option on that. Looks nice and worth a try even though the company car tax will be horrendous.
Most cost effective option at the moment looks like the new Ford Kuga 2.5 petrol/plug-in hybrid. Another option could be a Lexus NX.

Aldo just seen an advert for the upcoming Octavia 245 vRS iV hybrid Estate, that looks interesting. Not yet showing on our company car list but maybe in a few weeks.
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by Zach » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:22 pm

Would something like the Audi A6 or Q5 55 TFSIe be possible? The current Audi PHEVs are pretty interesting to me apart from their new fussy look they like.
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by Colin Lambert » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:15 am

Or the obvious low tax option........ Mitsu Outlander PHEV
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by FoxtrotAlpha » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:51 am

Colin Lambert wrote:
Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:15 am
Or the obvious low tax option........ Mitsu Outlander PHEV
I know people who had Outlander PHEVs for company cars as the tax breaks were good, every single one hated it. Ignoring the fact it’s fugly the range on electric only was about 30 miles and thereafter they were lucky to get more than 17 mpg out of it. I would stay well clear of the Outlander. I did drive one a few years ago and it handled like a wheelbarrow full of wet cement.

Also I am not convinced by hybrid technology is the way forward, the link below is an interest read and if correct hybrids will become extinct at the same time as petrol and diesel cars. electric or hydrogen is but only when they have sorted out the infrastructure issues with both and ensuring the electric or hydrogen is produced from renewable energy. That’s a long way off.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54170207

If this is true then your hybrid car will not be making the difference you were expecting for the environment and it won’t hold its value as expected longer term. I foresee some more governmental investigation into the manufacturers claims and potentially law suits for miss-selling akin to VW Dieselgate.
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Re: Plans for Hybrids

Post by Zach » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:36 pm

Transport and Environment's analysis says a key problem with plug-in hybrids is that so many owners rarely actually charge their cars, meaning they rely on the petrol or diesel engine.

Another is that many plug-in hybrid models include design features that automatically turn on the petrol/diesel engine at start-up on a cold day, or will kick in that engine if driver accelerates hard.

The latter mode means that the car's emissions will depend a lot on the driver's behaviour.

"If you always charge the battery and tend to do lots of short journeys, they will have very low emissions," says Nick Molden, who runs Emissions Analytics, a company that specialises in vehicle emissions evaluation.

"If you never charge the battery and drive very aggressively then they can have significantly higher emissions than the equivalent petrol or diesel model," he continues.
So really to me it sounds like really due to driver behaviour...if you use a PHEV properly you'd have low emissions but if you drive it like a traditional hybrid you won't be making any difference.
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