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Re: Electric hand bake high speed application and handbrake turn!!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:41 am
by Old and Grumpy
Daggerit wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:38 am
iwarv wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:30 pm
Colin Lambert wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:23 am
As far as someone rear ending you, apart from the inconvenience, the car that rear ends you is automatically at fault in the U.K. So his insurance has to pay.
A citation will be required [from me] but I don't think the driver behind you will **always** be found at fault. You need to have cause to brake excessively.
Vermin on the road(*) is one of those clauses where the law rules in favour of the driver at the rear of the accident.
I really don't know the law well enough to make an informed comment, but my personal opinion is that if the car following has been behind the lead car for any period of time (as in, the lead car hasn't just pulled out in front of the following car without enough time for them to brake and avoid a collision) then the following vehicle is always at fault. I only say that because you should be leaving enough room for exactly this kind of reason, surely?

I know of one instance when the rear car was held not to be at fault because the front car's brake lights were not working, (in the days of relatively simple wiring looms and before high level brake lights).

Re: Electric hand bake high speed application and handbrake turn!!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:13 am
by Silverbear
Old and Grumpy wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:41 am
Daggerit wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:38 am
iwarv wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:30 pm


A citation will be required [from me] but I don't think the driver behind you will **always** be found at fault. You need to have cause to brake excessively.
Vermin on the road(*) is one of those clauses where the law rules in favour of the driver at the rear of the accident.
I really don't know the law well enough to make an informed comment, but my personal opinion is that if the car following has been behind the lead car for any period of time (as in, the lead car hasn't just pulled out in front of the following car without enough time for them to brake and avoid a collision) then the following vehicle is always at fault. I only say that because you should be leaving enough room for exactly this kind of reason, surely?

I know of one instance when the rear car was held not to be at fault because the front car's brake lights were not working, (in the days of relatively simple wiring looms and before high level brake lights).
I have some sympathy for the following driver if the lead car is not roadworthy but surely a lead car has the right to expect that should the rear brake lights fail the following driver is sufficiently smart to have left sufficient space to allow for the unexpected. Huge numbers of drivers follow too close to the car in front. I was taught to drive defensively and to assume everyone else on the road is an idiot.

On a related matter I have always been amazed that the driving test is so simple to pass (I passed first time aged 17 and it's by far the easiest exam I've ever taken) and that it is simply pass or fail and not graded. It is very obvious that drivers have very different standards of driving. I would favour a graded system which directly affects ones insurance or perhaps take it out of the insurance companies hands and apply it to road tax. An A grade would see little tax applied to the keeper of the vehicle with steadily more draconian amounts for those with, shall we say, a poor mindset to other peoples safety. Regular retesting or retesting a year or two after passing might help. The driving of some newly qualified drivers is staggering and one wonders how they ever passed but as I said the driving test is too easy. The more difficult theory test of late is neither here nor there.

A basic understanding of physics would go a long way, an O level physics pass should be a prerequisite to drive a car!

While I'm rubbishing the driving test, what about stopping distances! What is the point? Who can meaaure out a stopping distance by eye and even worse while driving? I can measure a yard reasonably well when sat on the sofa, but 50 or 100 yards in a moving car through a windscreen? No chance.

Re: Electric hand bake high speed application and handbrake turn!!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:42 am
by Daggerit
Silverbear wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:13 am
Old and Grumpy wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:41 am
Daggerit wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:38 am


I really don't know the law well enough to make an informed comment, but my personal opinion is that if the car following has been behind the lead car for any period of time (as in, the lead car hasn't just pulled out in front of the following car without enough time for them to brake and avoid a collision) then the following vehicle is always at fault. I only say that because you should be leaving enough room for exactly this kind of reason, surely?

I know of one instance when the rear car was held not to be at fault because the front car's brake lights were not working, (in the days of relatively simple wiring looms and before high level brake lights).
While I'm rubbishing the driving test, what about stopping distances! What is the point? Who can meaaure out a stopping distance by eye and even worse while driving? I can measure a yard reasonably well when sat on the sofa, but 50 or 100 yards in a moving car through a windscreen? No chance.
That last bit made me chuckle because it's so true. :lol: :lol:

Re: Electric hand bake high speed application and handbrake turn!!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:04 am
by Daddy2Bears
Wasn't it a Crash For Cash thing, where the lead car disables their brake lights and then comes to a sudden stop, car behind hits them and they claim all & sundry (car repair, whipash etc)

One of the few reasons I have a dash cam.

Re: Electric hand bake high speed application and handbrake turn!!

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:53 am
by Colin Lambert
Brake lights working or not the following car is always at fault. Trust me, been there, done that!!
If you can't judge distances accurately (I admit I'm not good at that) If you follow the '2second rule' at whatever speed, you should be ok.