Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

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Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by alexander_5 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:37 pm

Hi All,


Actually I am a bit shocked right now as just received a letter from a police constabulary saying that we have caused an accident and then drove away on a weekday in November in Bricket Wood -- where we have never been.

Furthermore, we very rarely use the car on weekdays and so it was not hard to recall that the car was parked on our driveway on the particular day.

Clearly the police have tracked us down based on the number plate and so it could be a cloned number plate, however, I am frightened because it still could be hard to prove that the car was not moving that time.

Do you know if there is a register of car movements, and, if there is, is it stored somewhere for a period of time? It could be used as evidence, I guess.

Thank you in advance.
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by ewarwoowoo82 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:11 pm

Does the Skoda Connect App on your phone no store journey details? I know the car hold 10 minutes of driving data in case of accidents. Maybe this is something that your dealer can help you out with.

The police will need to prove it was your car that was present at the accident. Witnesses of the accident should be able to identify the type of car that caused the accident. Does any of your neighbours have CCTV that could prove that your car was at home that day?
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by Daddy2Bears » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:35 pm

It might also be worth looking at your phone's location, if you have it available.

Using an android phone I can see where I've been on a map in my google account.
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by alexander_5 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:37 pm

Thanks, I will check it with our Skoda dealer.

Re CCTV -- that was our first idea but I don't think any of our neighbours have cameras (if they do, all should be hidden), I cannot recall that I saw a single one even in this street... :-(
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by Lazy_T » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:32 pm

To be fair, the Police are human and occasionally get it wrong.

I was pulled out my house once and accused of having false plates - the car should have been an Audi A3, apparently (it was a Vauxhall Astra) - this after they drove past me on the way home.

Turned out, they had keyed the number plate in wrong. :lol:
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by alexander_5 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:41 pm

Daddy2Bears wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:35 pm
It might also be worth looking at your phone's location, if you have it available.

Using an android phone I can see where I've been on a map in my google account.
Yes, that is right, hopefully they will accept that (though it can be considered as last resort only as our phones' locations do not really prove the actual location of our car unfortunately as they can be anywhere else).

Thank you anyway.
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by alexander_5 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:46 pm

Lazy_T wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:32 pm
To be fair, the Police are human and occasionally get it wrong.

I was pulled out my house once and accused of having false plates - the car should have been an Audi A3, apparently (it was a Vauxhall Astra) - this after they drove past me on the way home.

Turned out, they had keyed the number plate in wrong. :lol:
We do hope that this will turn out to be the case.

This allegation is the last thing we need now, just before Christmas...
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by Mattsv » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:18 pm

Is it a notice of intention to prosecute that you have received, or just an enquiry?

If the police did not have witness the accident, they will be relying on details provided by someone else - in which case, it is most likely to be a genuine mistake.

Either way, you do not have to prove your innocence - the onus is to prove there is enough evidence to convince the CPS that there is a case to answer, and for any prosecutor to then prove guilt rather than you having to prove innocence...

Get in touch with them and explain, I am sure it will all turn out fine.
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by alexander_5 » Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:50 pm

Mattsv wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:18 pm
Is it a notice of intention to prosecute that you have received, or just an enquiry?

If the police did not have witness the accident, they will be relying on details provided by someone else - in which case, it is most likely to be a genuine mistake.

Either way, you do not have to prove your innocence - the onus is to prove there is enough evidence to convince the CPS that there is a case to answer, and for any prosecutor to then prove guilt rather than you having to prove innocence...

Get in touch with them and explain, I am sure it will all turn out fine.
Unfortunately it is the former -- but you are very right, criminal proceedings should work exactly that way. Proficient description, thank you very much.

Naturally we will fill out and send back the form as requested.
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Re: Car movement data -- is it registered/stored somewhere?

Post by FoxtrotAlpha » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:08 pm

Something about this just doesn’t ring true.

On the NIP’s it must state the date , time and location of the offence as well as the nature of the offence, in this case it would be either dangerous driving, careless driving or leaving the scene of an accident (or a combination of these three). The NIPs doesn’t mean you will go to court either, it’s the first step in finding out who was driving and further investigation should be made by the Police.

As mentioned the onus is on the Police to provide the evidence to you were at fault, if you were not there then they will be hard pressed to do that, the nature of their ‘evidence’ would need to be strong enough to prove without reasonable doubt that you were guilty before the CPS will prosecute. It must be said that dash cam evidence isn’t always acceptable as evidence either. That said I know if you can prove you were not there it would be helpful not only for your own wellbeing but also to the Police.

If this proceeds any further then I would suggest you get Specialist Legal Advice ( Not Citizens Advice as they are pretty hopeless) and if possible talk to the Police directly. The Police are usually very approachable is such cases and are only working on information supplied which maybe flawed (could have been given wrong registration number).

Easy to say but don’t worry about it until it goes further.
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