Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

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Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by stevec » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:50 am

Has anyone else had any issues with the quality of the sound in their Kodiaq?

I've got a 9.2" Columbus with Canton system, and quite frankly the sound is awful. The sound has very little bass and seems very thin. The subs kind of mask the lack of bass in the actual sound but you can still hear there's something missing. I've tried every adjustment possible, even the manual EQ settings to try and boost the lacking frequencies but it just doesn't work at all.

When listening to radio it sounds fine, but as soon as you listen to mp3 via the USB or SD Card I'm getting a very weak sound. It's not the quality of the mp3 that is at fault as the tracks all sound fine everywhere else, its just in the Kodiaq where they sound bad.

Any other experience of this, or any known fixes?

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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by Colin Lambert » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:03 am

I have the smaller (older ) screen Columbus with Canton and all sound the same.
I admit I am not a great listener to music and had the Canton not been free there is no way I would have wasted £400 on it!
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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by Rob M » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:03 pm

The only issue I have had/having is when you try and voice command to switch from, say, CD to Radio and the voice tells you that it cannot find the address or the phone is not connected or something.
It even happens when im saying R A Y D I O T W O as clearly as is possible.
Doesn't happen all the time but it has become a running joke.
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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by elcamino78 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:08 pm

For those with "bad" sound: Did you try changing the Canton Optimization to "Front" or "Driver" in the Sound Settings Menu?
That makes a major difference.


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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by alexander_5 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:53 pm

stevec wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:50 am
Has anyone else had any issues with the quality of the sound in their Kodiaq?

I've got a 9.2" Columbus with Canton system, and quite frankly the sound is awful. The sound has very little bass and seems very thin. The subs kind of mask the lack of bass in the actual sound but you can still hear there's something missing. I've tried every adjustment possible, even the manual EQ settings to try and boost the lacking frequencies but it just doesn't work at all.

When listening to radio it sounds fine, but as soon as you listen to mp3 via the USB or SD Card I'm getting a very weak sound. It's not the quality of the mp3 that is at fault as the tracks all sound fine everywhere else, its just in the Kodiaq where they sound bad.

Any other experience of this, or any known fixes?

Thanks!

Actually we experience the same, i.e. the bass is no better than with any "average" system -- I don't know if there is any way to get it enhanced.
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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by MoominPapa » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:10 pm

It gets marginally better with time. Stick with it. I found the Canton in mine was very bright initially, but with burn in over 6 months of driving, it's started to warm up and there are some lower frequencies coming through. At least now it no longer strains my ears with female vocals.

I agree with sentiments here that the Canton system isn't worth the premium.
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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by Jon Edwards » Sat Dec 09, 2017 11:59 am

I am unsure what you were expecting from a relatively cheap upgrade, if you thought £400 (actually only £300 when I got mine as I wanted a spare wheel which would have been £100 anyway) would buy you a Bose or Bowers & Wilkins quality system then you are deluded.

I actually find the Canton quite good generally, I agree it’s not high end premium but you are not paying for premium quality components, just extra speakers and more options on the setup. It’s dificult to compare to the standard system as you have to live with it on a daily basis to make an educated opinion.

Additionally if the quality of sound is poor then it could be the quality of the source, many people play low quality lossy files through a system and expect it to sound great, garbage in garbage out I’m afraid, I play high bit rate FLAC files and they seem to have enough definition that I need and can expect in a moving vehicle. Also considering the average age of a kodiaq driver seems to be ‘coffin dodger’ then people should realise that it could be the persons hearing degrading and not the system.
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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by andyvee » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:03 pm

I had Canton in my last 2 Octavia 3's, and didn't waste the money on it this time round. There are gaping 'holes' in the frequency response of the speakers - if you have get a pink noise mp3 and play that and then use a spectrum analyzer on your phone you can see them.

It seems the crossover between the bass/mids and tweeters in the doors is the culprit, and too low a frequency is being passed to the tweeters.
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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by Esnw33430 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:51 am

Must admit over the years I have spent lots on car audio, I don't want to count how many hours were spent stripping interiors bare and applying sound deadening mat / running very expensive cables / finding places to hide caps etc.

I read "canton" as nothing more than "extra speakers", anything that's geared to adding more speakers without a serious uplift in signal processing in most factory fit installs is very likely a wasted process. As Andy says above, the complaints scream of poor signal processing. if the crossovers are fudged then adding more speakers just makes the bad sound worse, sort the signals into groups the speakers are designed to reproduce first and it will sound much better.

I'll be looking to sort what's standard first then "maybe" replace the existing speakers or add a small sub.

I'm wondering if there will be a crossover pack in each door or is it done from the under seat module, in the doors is an easy fix; in the under seat module may require some more intrusive surgery.
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Re: Issues with Columbus & Canton in SEL

Post by Esnw33430 » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:23 am

Seems the under seat is "dsp" but I'm not clear so far if that's different to standard. It could be the cables in the wrong connections on the taps in crossovers. Or the crossovers are not properly matched to speakers after a supply change.

More so when some are pleased with the sound and some are not, it would all be bad if the system was naff.
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