How to download map updates via phone

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scratch113
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How to download map updates via phone

Post by scratch113 » Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:22 pm

Hi,

I'm trying to update the maps in my car and want to do it using the data connection (4G) on my iPhone but can't seem to find a way for the car to recognise that there's an internet connection on my phone. I've tried going through all sorts of settings on the car so not sure if it's a setting on the iPhone that needs changing.

The phone connects via Bluetooth to make calls absolutely fine every time I get in the car, but I can't seem to be able to get the maps to update via the phone. I've also tried plugging it into the USB port and it then connects via Apple CarPlay, but still no joy.

I do have a sim card from 3 fitted in the glovebox, but it's the one that comes with 200MB of free data per month, which is fine for finding points of interest (nearest petrol station for instance), or traffic info, however the update for just the UK maps is over 500MB, so I don't have enough data to use that. My phone contract comes with 90GB per month, so loads of data (enough to update all of the maps for the whole of Europe!), but I just can't get the car to recognise that it can do this via my phone. I've tried taking the 3 sim card out of the glovebox, but still no joy and I just get the red globe symbol and if I try to update mapping, it tells me there is no connection.

Sadly the sim in my iPhone is a micro sim, so it's too small for the car's sim slot and I've read a few people here who get sim cards that are too small stuck in the slot, so don't wish to go there!

I've also tried downloading the mapping update from the Skoda website over the internet to an SDHC card, but again the car won't recognise that there are any maps on the card. It does recognise the files of DAB station logos, but annoyingly the one I wanted to add (Classic FM) isn't in the list of stations in the file from the Skoda website...

Any pointers gratefully received!
New car: Kodiaq Sportline 2.0TDI 190 4x4 DSG
Previous:
2016 LR Disco Sport HSE Lux
2008 Audi A5 3.0TDI
2003 Audi S4 4.2 V8
1998 Audi A4 2.8 quattro
1995 Audi A4 1.8T Sport
1992 VW Golf Mk3 1.9 TD
1990 Ford Escort Mk5 1.6 LX
1983 Vauxhall Astra Mk1 1.3 S


old man
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Re: How to download map updates via phone

Post by old man » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:08 am

[quoteI've also tried downloading the mapping update from the Skoda website over the internet to an SDHC card, but again the car won't recognise that there are any maps on the card. It does recognise the files of DAB station logos, but annoyingly the one I wanted to add (Classic FM) isn't in the list of stations in the file from the Skoda website...][/quote]


I can't help with the first parts of your question, but in regard to the above, there's a thread on the other channel that may cover what you need to know. https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/467409-columbus-20192020-map-update/

I did mine using a USB stick and it worked fine, which surprised me somewhat as I usually have trouble with this type of thing.
On the second page of the thread there's mention of someone having trouble achieving the download because he was using an Apple Mac - are you ?
Did you format your SD card before the download ?
It should be straightforward if you're using a standard computer/laptop and a decent SD card or USB stick that has been formatted.


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Re: How to download map updates via phone

Post by FoxtrotAlpha » Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:56 am

old man wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:08 am
[quoteI've also tried downloading the mapping update from the Skoda website over the internet to an SDHC card, but again the car won't recognise that there are any maps on the card. It does recognise the files of DAB station logos, but annoyingly the one I wanted to add (Classic FM) isn't in the list of stations in the file from the Skoda website...]

I can't help with the first parts of your question, but in regard to the above, there's a thread on the other channel that may cover what you need to know. https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/467409-columbus-20192020-map-update/

I did mine using a USB stick and it worked fine, which surprised me somewhat as I usually have trouble with this type of thing.
On the second page of the thread there's mention of someone having trouble achieving the download because he was using an Apple Mac - are you ?
Did you format your SD card before the download ?
It should be straightforward if you're using a standard computer/laptop and a decent SD card or USB stick that has been formatted.
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If the radio station logos are being recognised it's a fair assumption that the format is ok. I would use and SD card rather than a USB stick. The format on the card should be exFat on anything above 32gb. Fat32 is OK on any card below that.

I would check to make sure the directory structure is as it should be for Columbus to find the files. I had to mess about with playlists on the SD card for music files as the software wrote them in a way Columbus disnt recognise them.

You can make your own logos as they are only image files, I think the specifications for these are online and are very basic, from memory they are square jpg and less than 500k in size. You can manually add them from the SD card.

Your phone must be connected via business phone on bluetooth and not standard connection if you want to use its data conention. Your phone will need to be compatible with rSAP for this to work, not all phones are rSAP compliant. My Samsung S9 works extremely well although my old s6 didnt, it didnt like sharing the data connection so the Kodiaq hogged it.
It's a 'Kodiaq' and not a 'Bear' unless you are 5 years old.
Kodiaq Sportline - 150 TDI - DSG 4 x 4 - Quartz Grey


scratch113
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Re: How to download map updates via phone

Post by scratch113 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:04 am

Old Man & FA, thanks for the replies - I finally worked it out using the personal hotspot on my phone then connect through the car’s WLAN setting in the menu system. I think this was something set up when the dealer handed the car over in January, but it seems the car won’t allow a Wi-fi data connection if it already has one, which it did with the SIM card in the glovebox! Once I removed this and waited a minute I could then connect my phone, although it did need me to do a new search for my phone’s personal hotspot. It was listed, but greyed out as though it wasn’t available.

Once connected I then managed to do an online update of mapping although just “England South” only took over 15 minutes via a good 4G signal, so don’t think I’ll bother with the rest of Europe!

Hope that helps someone if they’re trying to do the same.
New car: Kodiaq Sportline 2.0TDI 190 4x4 DSG
Previous:
2016 LR Disco Sport HSE Lux
2008 Audi A5 3.0TDI
2003 Audi S4 4.2 V8
1998 Audi A4 2.8 quattro
1995 Audi A4 1.8T Sport
1992 VW Golf Mk3 1.9 TD
1990 Ford Escort Mk5 1.6 LX
1983 Vauxhall Astra Mk1 1.3 S


FoxtrotAlpha
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Re: How to download map updates via phone

Post by FoxtrotAlpha » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:36 am

scratch113 wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:04 am
Old Man & FA, thanks for the replies - I finally worked it out using the personal hotspot on my phone then connect through the car’s WLAN setting in the menu system. I think this was something set up when the dealer handed the car over in January, but it seems the car won’t allow a Wi-fi data connection if it already has one, which it did with the SIM card in the glovebox! Once I removed this and waited a minute I could then connect my phone, although it did need me to do a new search for my phone’s personal hotspot. It was listed, but greyed out as though it wasn’t available.

Once connected I then managed to do an online update of mapping although just “England South” only took over 15 minutes via a good 4G signal, so don’t think I’ll bother with the rest of Europe!

Hope that helps someone if they’re trying to do the same.
Good news. I personally dont like setting up hotspots etc. as its but of a pain to gain access to phone data allowance for the car and some say has security implications, hence why setting you phone to connect to business bluetooth is a better solution. That said the phone needs to be able to handle rSAP. I would still recommend doing this if your phone is compatible.
It's a 'Kodiaq' and not a 'Bear' unless you are 5 years old.
Kodiaq Sportline - 150 TDI - DSG 4 x 4 - Quartz Grey


scratch113
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Re: How to download map updates via phone

Post by scratch113 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:47 pm

FoxtrotAlpha wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:36 am
scratch113 wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:04 am
Old Man & FA, thanks for the replies - I finally worked it out using the personal hotspot on my phone then connect through the car’s WLAN setting in the menu system. I think this was something set up when the dealer handed the car over in January, but it seems the car won’t allow a Wi-fi data connection if it already has one, which it did with the SIM card in the glovebox! Once I removed this and waited a minute I could then connect my phone, although it did need me to do a new search for my phone’s personal hotspot. It was listed, but greyed out as though it wasn’t available.

Once connected I then managed to do an online update of mapping although just “England South” only took over 15 minutes via a good 4G signal, so don’t think I’ll bother with the rest of Europe!

Hope that helps someone if they’re trying to do the same.
Good news. I personally dont like setting up hotspots etc. as its but of a pain to gain access to phone data allowance for the car and some say has security implications, hence why setting you phone to connect to business bluetooth is a better solution. That said the phone needs to be able to handle rSAP. I would still recommend doing this if your phone is compatible.
Sadly not, I've got an old iPhone 7 and believe that no IOS devices support rSAP, so wifi it is, via personal hotspot.

That said, the map update was actually unsuccessful - it downloaded a "Common EU" file, then "England" and finally "England South" at the end of which it just sat there doing nothing. The car was still saying "Downloading England South" however it had got to the end and then didn't say finish. Only options were Cancel (at the bottom) or the return button at the top right corner. If I went back into the map version and scrolled to the bottom, then United Kingdom (England South) was still at the 2018/19 version and not the newer 2019/20. I waited a further 30 minutes, but it just stayed like that.

Any pointers as to what I need to do to get the new map to be recognised would be much appreciated!
New car: Kodiaq Sportline 2.0TDI 190 4x4 DSG
Previous:
2016 LR Disco Sport HSE Lux
2008 Audi A5 3.0TDI
2003 Audi S4 4.2 V8
1998 Audi A4 2.8 quattro
1995 Audi A4 1.8T Sport
1992 VW Golf Mk3 1.9 TD
1990 Ford Escort Mk5 1.6 LX
1983 Vauxhall Astra Mk1 1.3 S


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