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So tyre technology is so great that I now need to spend almost £200 on a new tyre that should be repairable. How is that progress! My Kodiaq has the Pirelli Scorpian Verde which are "seal inside". So having got a nail through in the inside 3/4 of the width of the tyre I thought should be repairable for the usual £25. Having borrowed a jack and removed the wheel, yes I have a 5 seater and couldn't spec a spare wheel; Skoda why not???, off I went the get the tyre place to get repaired having borrowed a car to transport it in. I then find out because of the seal inside lining it can't be patched!!!! I love new things that are SUPPOSED to be progress. Rant over!!!! :evil: :evil:
 

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I've just had exactly the same issue with a Scorpion Verde. Local fitted said no repair, new tyre needed...

NOT TRUE!

I found a piece on Pirelli's website saying they could be repaired. Ymthr sealant layer needs to be scraped away revealing the normal carcass underneath and then a standard repair is carried out. You loose the puncture protection in that small area, but hey ho, it's already punctured!

I found www.hometyre.co.uk who were willing and able to repair. Cost me £54 instead of the usual £30-40 due to the extra labour involved but better than £200.

I can't find the Pirelli link right now but I can try and dig it out later...
 

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>I have a 5 seater and couldn't spec a spare wheel; Skoda why not???,<

Yes why not? I have a 2.0 DSG with F/F tow bar AND a spare wheel :eek: :?
 

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davebakerpurton said:
>I have a 5 seater and couldn't spec a spare wheel; Skoda why not???,<

Yes why not? I have a 2.0 DSG with F/F tow bar AND a spare wheel :eek: :?
Not with 5 seater SEL or Edition for some reason I can't fathom.
 

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I've just had exactly the same issue with a Scorpion Verde. Local fitted said no repair, new tyre needed...

NOT TRUE!

I found a piece on Pirelli's website saying they could be repaired. Ymthr sealant layer needs to be scraped away revealing the normal carcass underneath and then a standard repair is carried out. You loose the puncture protection in that small area, but hey ho, it's already punctured!

I found www.hometyre.co.uk who were willing and able to repair. Cost me £54 instead of the usual £30-40 due to the extra labour involved but better than £200.

I can't find the Pirelli link right now but I can try and dig it out later...
Thanks. I can't find it on Pirelli's website but I've just found mention as you say above on a Scirocco forum and a twitter feed from Hometyre. As it's a safety issue I may just bite the bullet and go for the new tyre which they will have tomorrow.
 

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Thanks. I can't find it on Pirelli's website but I've just found mention as you say above on a Scirocco forum and a twitter feed from Hometyre. As it's a safety issue I may just bite the bullet and go for the new tyre which they will have tomorrow.
Not really a safety issue when there's a British Standard procedure (BS AU 159) describing what can and can't be repaired safely.

Here's the Pirelli link http://www.pirelli.cn/tyres/en-gb/car/find-your-tyres/all-about-tyres/technology-seal-inside#

There's an expandable section at the bottom titled 'Repairing Instructions'
 

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StevieG said:
Thanks. I can't find it on Pirelli's website but I've just found mention as you say above on a Scirocco forum and a twitter feed from Hometyre. As it's a safety issue I may just bite the bullet and go for the new tyre which they will have tomorrow.
Not really a safety issue when there's a British Standard procedure (BS AU 159) describing what can and can't be repaired safely.

Here's the Pirelli link http://www.pirelli.cn/tyres/en-gb/car/find-your-tyres/all-about-tyres/technology-seal-inside#

There's an expandable section at the bottom titled 'Repairing Instructions'
Thanks for the link, appreciate the information, I'll pass on to fitters.
 

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Sounds to me that the tyre peeps are either too lazy or just want to sell you a new tyre.
They try this on when a tyre has been 'repaired' with the gunge. They say it can't be repaired but it is rubbish. they just have to do the same as above. scrape the gunge away from the hole inside and plug it!
 

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H2UBS said:
StevieG said:
davebakerpurton said:
>I have a 5 seater and couldn't spec a spare wheel; Skoda why not???,<

Yes why not? I have a 2.0 DSG with F/F tow bar AND a spare wheel :eek: :?
Not with 5 seater SEL or Edition for some reason I can't fathom.
You can buy a space saver spare & jack for £160 here -https://www.thewheelshop.co.uk/skoda-kodiaq-18-space-saver-spare-wheel-tool-kit.html
I guess the issue then is the 5 seater Edition doesn't have the variable floor which I assume is required to hide the spare wheel. The Edition also sits on 19" wheels.

Shame you can't buy the variable floor separately.

EDIT: I did find this from abroad though. Not worth the time an effort if it didn't fit and I had to return it.

http://eshop.skoda-auto.com/cz/en/b2c/variable-loading-floor-6v9061261x
 

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Inkarr said:
H2UBS said:
StevieG said:
Not with 5 seater SEL or Edition for some reason I can't fathom.
You can buy a space saver spare & jack for £160 here -https://www.thewheelshop.co.uk/skoda-kodiaq-18-space-saver-spare-wheel-tool-kit.html
I guess the issue then is the 5 seater Edition doesn't have the variable floor which I assume is required to hide the spare wheel. The Edition also sits on 19" wheels.

Shame you can't buy the variable floor separately.

EDIT: I did find this from abroad though. Not worth the time an effort if it didn't fit and I had to return it.

http://eshop.skoda-auto.com/cz/en/b2c/variable-loading-floor-6v9061261x
Space saver spares don't have to be, and rarely are the same diameter as the rest of your wheels. It would probably defeat the purpose of space saving if they were.
 

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Hugh Fanism said:
Inkarr said:
H2UBS said:
I guess the issue then is the 5 seater Edition doesn't have the variable floor which I assume is required to hide the spare wheel. The Edition also sits on 19" wheels.

Shame you can't buy the variable floor separately.

EDIT: I did find this from abroad though. Not worth the time an effort if it didn't fit and I had to return it.

http://eshop.skoda-auto.com/cz/en/b2c/variable-loading-floor-6v9061261x
Space saver spares don't have to be, and rarely are the same diameter as the rest of your wheels. It would probably defeat the purpose of space saving if they were.
You are completely correct re the space saver size. I was having a brain fart moment and completely forgot that the 18" is just the size of the alloy or steel wheel, not the overall tyre size :?
 

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Inkarr said:
Hugh Fanism said:
Inkarr said:
I guess the issue then is the 5 seater Edition doesn't have the variable floor which I assume is required to hide the spare wheel. The Edition also sits on 19" wheels.

Shame you can't buy the variable floor separately.

EDIT: I did find this from abroad though. Not worth the time an effort if it didn't fit and I had to return it.

http://eshop.skoda-auto.com/cz/en/b2c/variable-loading-floor-6v9061261x
Space saver spares don't have to be, and rarely are the same diameter as the rest of your wheels. It would probably defeat the purpose of space saving if they were.
You are completely correct re the space saver size. I was having a brain fart moment and completely forgot that the 18" is just the size of the alloy or steel wheel, not the overall tyre size :?
I don't know much about wheels and tyres but am curious how the total diameter (wheel+tyre) of the space saver could be different from the other wheels ?
 

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so the overall spare tyre would be the same diameter as the the other wheels, but obviously not as wide.

On my car i think it has 19" alloy wheels, plus the tire depth. I guess the space saver wheel will have a 18" steel rim but the tyre wall will be a bit deeper. Hopefully that makes sense?
 

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Inkarr said:
so the overall spare tyre would be the same diameter as the the other wheels, but obviously not as wide.

On my car i think it has 19" alloy wheels, plus the tire depth. I guess the space saver wheel will have a 18" steel rim but the tyre wall will be a bit deeper. Hopefully that makes sense?
I'm pretty sure it doesn't even have to the same diameter even with a tyre on. Remember you're not meant to be driving more then 50mph or for very far on it.
 

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From the AA. Note the wording "the law makes an exception for temporary use spare wheels fitted in an emergency"

Non-standard spares - what's available?

Space-savers and other alternatives to having a full-size spare in the boot
There was a time when a new car came with five identical wheels and tyres - four on the road and a spare in the boot.

But with alloy wheels now commonplace but more expensive than the steel wheels they've replaced, and car manufacturers looking for opportunities to cut costs, space and weight, you're lucky to find a spare wheel in the boot at all.

There may just be a tyre sealant and inflator kit but if there is a spare then the chances are it'll be a non-standard spare designed for temporary use only, and considerably narrower than your standard road wheels and tyres.

Non standard spare wheels

Tyres on the same axle must be of the same size and aspect ratio

Aspect ratio is the height of your tyre's sidewall as a percentage of its width
Your car will fail the MOT if mismatched tyres are fitted
The law makes an exception for temporary use spare wheels fitted in an emergency
Operating restrictions
Space-saver wheels are designed for temporary use, to get you to a place of repair.

There's no maximum distance but the speed restriction, limited tread (only 3mm from new) and softer rubber compound mean that the distance covered before repair shouldn't be excessive.

Check your handbook and any labels on the spare itself
Maximum speed is usually restricted to 50mph for safety reasons.
Use of the temporary spare may be restricted to 'front only' or 'back only' for safety reasons
to avoid interference with braking components, or
to avoid transmission damage
Handling will be different with a skinny spare fitted and you'll need to allow for this when driving.
Aim to get the original car tyre repaired or replaced as soon as possible.
Caravans and trailers
If you're towing a caravan or trailer and get a puncture, then it's usually OK to fit a space-saver spare to any axle on the car.

Check the handbook though as there might be vehicle-specific advice.

With the skinny-spare fitted and a van on the back you must drive straight to a tyre specialist for a repair or replacement rather than attempt a long journey.

3 February 2017

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/safety/non-standard-spare-wheels
 

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Hugh Fanism said:
From the AA. Note the wording "the law makes an exception for temporary use spare wheels fitted in an emergency". So really, it can be anything.

Non-standard spares - what's available?

Space-savers and other alternatives to having a full-size spare in the boot
There was a time when a new car came with five identical wheels and tyres - four on the road and a spare in the boot.

But with alloy wheels now commonplace but more expensive than the steel wheels they've replaced, and car manufacturers looking for opportunities to cut costs, space and weight, you're lucky to find a spare wheel in the boot at all.

There may just be a tyre sealant and inflator kit but if there is a spare then the chances are it'll be a non-standard spare designed for temporary use only, and considerably narrower than your standard road wheels and tyres.

Non standard spare wheels

Tyres on the same axle must be of the same size and aspect ratio

Aspect ratio is the height of your tyre's sidewall as a percentage of its width
Your car will fail the MOT if mismatched tyres are fitted
The law makes an exception for temporary use spare wheels fitted in an emergency
Operating restrictions
Space-saver wheels are designed for temporary use, to get you to a place of repair.

There's no maximum distance but the speed restriction, limited tread (only 3mm from new) and softer rubber compound mean that the distance covered before repair shouldn't be excessive.

Check your handbook and any labels on the spare itself
Maximum speed is usually restricted to 50mph for safety reasons.
Use of the temporary spare may be restricted to 'front only' or 'back only' for safety reasons
to avoid interference with braking components, or
to avoid transmission damage
Handling will be different with a skinny spare fitted and you'll need to allow for this when driving.
Aim to get the original car tyre repaired or replaced as soon as possible.
Caravans and trailers
If you're towing a caravan or trailer and get a puncture, then it's usually OK to fit a space-saver spare to any axle on the car.

Check the handbook though as there might be vehicle-specific advice.

With the skinny-spare fitted and a van on the back you must drive straight to a tyre specialist for a repair or replacement rather than attempt a long journey.

3 February 2017

https://www.theaa.com/driving-advice/safety/non-standard-spare-wheels
 
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