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In the coming months I'll be looking to change my car. I am delighted with my present car, a '66 plate Superb 190 SEL TDI DSG. But I would like a 4x4 SUV and prefer a petrol engine. I do about 7,500 miles in a (normal !) year and hope to make a couple of longer (2,000 mile) trips with our small caravan. It's a 'pop-top' and is only 950 KG. Although diesel makes sense for towing, 90% of my journeys are short and I would prefer a petrol engine, for several reasons, including smoothness and quietness. Clearly the 2.0 TSI 180 will have enough grunt to pull this pint-size caravan, but what about the 1.4 / 1.5 TSI ? I am not a racer, and I'm sure the smaller engine would be adequate, apart from the towing. Any advice?

Also: these cars are available with 5 or 7 seats. I don't need 7 seats, but to get, second-hand, the car I want (fussy about colour, MUST have ACC !) I may have to get 7 seats. Are there any down-sides?

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Alec
 

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I'm not 100% sure about some of the previous models and spec, but currently you can only get the 5 seat version as the lowest SE spec where most people would advise to go for the SE-L or better if you can afford it. On that basis, you're probably going to end up with a 7 seat car, but it's no real bother as we only use the 3rd row occasionally in our car, but don't knock it as it does give flexibility - very handy when my parents come to visit as we can all go out in one car as we're a family of 4, so fitting 6 people plus a couple of small dogs is no bother.

As for engines, currently the 1.5 isn't available as a 4x4, your only option on that car is whether you want manual or DSG and you did mention that you were after a 4x4 SUV. I don't think it was in the past either (available with 4x4), so probably not available second hand, but I could be wrong. If you decide that FWD would be ok then I'd advise very strongly against the 1.5 manual as it's not homologated for towing afaik, and whilst I'm sure it would be entirely feasible to fit a tow bar to one, your insurance company might take a different view if you were to have an accident whilst towing with it.

That really just leaves the 2.0 petrol, which isn't available as a manual, so decision made - it's a 7 seat 4x4 2.0TSI DSG 4x4!
Spec comes down to what you're willing to pay - I'd be surprised if you find an SE fitted with ACC, but I could be wrong.

Hope that helps!
 

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I don't think it was in the past either (available with 4x4)
Our first Kodiaq (MY17) was a 1.4 petrol 4x4.
We never benefitted from it, living in the relatively snow-free deep south.
So I leave it to others to decide if the Haldex system (IIRC) is worth the badge on your boot lid.
 

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I stand corrected although clearly at some point Skoda has dropped the 4x4 option on the Kodiaq with anything other than a 2.0 engine (either petrol or diesel) and you can't have a new car with the 1.5TSI engine and 4x4.

Best advice for @AMBerks would be to get a car that already has a towbar fitted.
 

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Thanks for all this info. I'll be looking at a used car. It looks like there were more options previously. Looking at model year 2018 cars you could get a 1.4 TSI 4x4 and a 2.0 18 TSI 4x4. Both these models were available in a 5-seat and a 7-seat option. Yes I want DSG. And yes I want 4x4. As a caravanner (and having had the questionable good fortune to drive a Volvo XC70 for 4 years), I appreciate having that option. Sure, you only need it 1% of the time. But then you could argue that you don't NEED a 2-litre Kodiaq, just a VW Golf !

The reason I mention 5-seat vs 7-seat is that I don't know if there are any pros and cons I don't know about (variable boot height, space-saver spare etc). I have a space-saver spare in my Superb. Can you have one if you have a 7-seat Kodiaq?

Lastly: is the 1.5 TSI better than the 1.4 TSI? When did it change? But most of all I'd like to hear from members who have experience of towing a caravan with a petrol TSI. I'm sure the 2.0 TSI 180 4x4 would cope with my 950KG caravan, but would the smaller engine?

Thanks again.
 

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Best advice for @AMBerks would be to get a car that already has a towbar fitted.
Nice idea. But I'd wait years to buy a car, with the spec I want, with factory towbar. I tried that when looking for my Superb. I gave up doing that, bought the right car, and had a removable Westfalia towbar fitted, with dedicated electrics. I used Professional Retrofits, Coventry:
http://poollretrofits.com/
They specialise in fitting aftermarket accessories to VW group cars only. They know their stuff.
- it's been terrific. The car recognises the 'trailer' fine. The only thing I'm missing is that rather neat 'push-button-dropdown-towbar-with-warning-light'.
 

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Not a Kodiaq but probably the same engine, I used to tow a 1355kg caravan with a Yeti 1.4tsi 4X4 maual and it did just fine. Had to change down now and again but no real problem.
Reasonably economical too.
 

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I tug a 1200kg van with my 1.4 petrol Kodiaq Sport Line. Fuel drops to 23mpg when tugging from an average 35mpg solo. It performs very well tugging on the flat, (better with a tail wind) but It certainly does not like hills or long gradients
Like you I normally only do short trips hence the choice of fuel. I don't like the idea of electric but may be changing to diesel or something with a little more grunt next year. It would be interesting to know from members how the 2lt TSI Kodiaq performs
 

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I tug a 1200kg van with my 1.4 petrol Kodiaq Sport Line. Fuel drops to 23mpg when tugging from an average 35mpg solo. It performs very well tugging on the flat, (better with a tail wind) but It certainly does not like hills or long gradients
Like you I normally only do short trips hence the choice of fuel. I don't like the idea of electric but may be changing to diesel or something with a little more grunt next year. It would be interesting to know from members how the 2lt TSI Kodiaq performs
I'm currently thinking of changing my 2018 67 plate 2.0tdi 190 Edition for a new one and will also need to tow (Bailey Unicorn vigo/ around 1500kg). I'm stuck between the new 2.0tdi 200 and 2.0 TSi 190 and would be interested in any views against the TSi.
The TDI has been great but I just keep thinking that diesel is not flavour of the month and will be less so when I come to chopping it in again in 4years, hence thinking along the TSi route. Any views?
 

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For my money, it would depend on how many miles you do per year when not towing (which I would guess would be 95%+ of your annual miles). If it's anything over 10k miles/year then the diesel is probably the better buy based on mpg. Not saying that the TSI would be terrible, but it's not going to achieve the same economy as the diesel.

On the other hand, if your mileage is low (say 8000 miles per year or less) then definitely go for the petrol. It'll be nicer to drive and the economy penalty is pretty small. It will cope with the towing just as well I'm sure.

Hope that helps.
 

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That's the basis of my thinking and how I ended up with the current 2.0tdi 4 years ago. I also thought at the time that diesel might be a bit of a gamble but 'dieselgate' seems to be forgotten and the modern diesels are 'clean'.
What I would love is a crystal ball to forecast the future of diesel; cost of the fuel, tax and depreciation of the vehicle (compared to a petrol). We do around 12k a year so diesel does make sense (also the extra torque for towing the van). Just keep thinking that petrol might be a bit more future proof.
 

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Hard to tell. With the rapid uptake of electric cars, demand for (and therefore supply of) both petrol and diesel will start to take a dip at some point. Then again looking long term, there aren't really any petrol lorries or delivery vans on the road and the timescale to force them over from diesel to electric is much longer than for cars, so as a society we'll still need diesel long after we seriously reduce our petrol consumption.
 

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Well decision made and car on order! Kodiaq Sportline 2.0tdi 200 Graphite Grey metallic, with folding towbar, winter pack, digital dash and usb c by the rear view mirror. Glad I did it today as the dealership was notified of the new 2.5% price rise today which is already reflected in the Skoda UK configurator but I've paid the old price and also with a hefty discount. Now the wait!
 

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Congrats and nice choice! Graphite Grey was always my original choice over the Meteor Grey I ended up with, however fancied a complete change and have gone for Race Blue myself. There's a colleague at work who parks in the same car park as me who has a Graphite Grey Sportline and it does look very smart. Hope the wait isn't excessively long!
 

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Congrats and nice choice! Graphite Grey was always my original choice over the Meteor Grey I ended up with, however fancied a complete change and have gone for Race Blue myself. There's a colleague at work who parks in the same car park as me who has a Graphite Grey Sportline and it does look very smart. Hope the wait isn't excessively long!
Hi there, do you happen to have a picture of a Kodiak Sportline in graphite grey? I am struggling to find one on Google. Thanks in advance.
 

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The only pics I've got are from the configurator. Dealer hadn't got a paint sample of Graphite but I've got a pretty good idea....
 

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I had a 2 litre Superb, lovely car, used it for towing 454 Avante caravan, no problems at all, until we hit a detour off the M62, through Derbyshire,miles of traffic, up and down dales.the engine started smouldering, nowhere to pull over, had to carry on.The car had only done 7,000 miles, still under warranty. Skoda fitted a new clutch etc.We decided to change the car because I was thinking of getting a larger caravan, so went for the Kodiaq, 4x4 190 DSG, with a lot of extras, one being the electronic tow bar.Because of the mechanism , it came with a space saver wheel.You cannot tow a caravan with this type of wheel/tyre. So you have to buy a full size spare wheel, when caravaning , take this with you.it takes a fair lot of room in the boot.
On the Superb,the tow bar was detachable, so their was more room in the wheel well. to get a full size spare. We bought a larger caravan, and the Kodiaq pulls it no problem, Next year it will be 5 years old, but the currant mileage is 14500.I cannot decide whether to keep it or get a new one?
 

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... it came with a space saver wheel.You cannot tow a caravan with this type of wheel/tyre. So you have to buy a full size spare wheel, when caravaning , take this with you.it takes a fair lot of room in the boot.
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Erm, put it in the caravan?

Or am I missing something? You only need the full sized one for the eventuality of getting a flat tyre when towing the caravan, so without the caravan, the space saver would be fine to keep you mobile.

I've never had a caravan, so might have missed some reason why this is a bad idea, but can't immediately think of one, other than it takes up room in the caravan, but once you've parked up, can't you put it under the caravan, locked to it somehow?
 
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